National Survey Results: What We Learned About Latin Mass Attendees

Traditional Latin Mass National Survey

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Traditional Latin Mass National Survey

by Fr. Donald Kloster
St. Mary’s Catholic Church,
Norwalk, Connecticut USA
revfrkloster@yahoo.com

Contributors: Sha Balizet Fisher, Ph.D. (Statistics), Brian Williams-Liturgyguy.com (Consultant), Christine Boyle (Webmaster).

Introduction

Through more than twenty years of offering both the Novus Ordo Mass (NOM) and the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), this writer has observed variations between the people attending the two different Masses within the Roman Rite. American Catholics attending the NOM have been surveyed repeatedly in terms of their beliefs and practices (Pew Research and Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University [CARA]).

Yet, the body of research does not appear to include a description of Catholics who attend the TLM. These Catholics attend at least 489 Sunday Masses nationwide (latinmassdir.org, 2019). On any given Sunday, an estimated 100,000 Catholics (slightly over 200 faithful per Mass and/or parish) in the United States of America worship according to the ancient Mass that, prior to the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), was offered in Latin for over 1,500 years.

The quickly growing number of TLM-only parishes permits survey research going beyond one individual’s observations. The objective of this pilot study was to measure the fruit of the two Masses, by directly comparing the TLM and NOM attendees’ responses to the same questions.

Method 

The survey consisted of seven questions on the beliefs and attitudes of the respondents. Data was collected between March 2018 and November 2018. The surveys were anonymous and unique responses only were tallied. In pew surveys were administered to 1322 respondents. The number of responses varied (between 1,251 and 1,322) according to the given question. The same survey, administered online, received 451 responses.

In Pew Survey Respondents 

Arizona, California, Colorado, New Hampshire, Texas.

Online Survey Respondents 

Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia.

The TLM Survey was designed to parallel questions posed in previous research, allowing a direct comparison between the TLM attendees and those of the NOM. These were the topics:

  1. Approval of contraception
  2. Approval of abortion
  3. Weekly Mass attendance
  4. Approval of same sex marriage
  5. Percentage of income donated
  6. Annual Confession among weekly Mass attendees
  7. Fertility Rate

Results

TLM Survey Results

Analysis

Modern society, by popular belief, is the cause of decreasing sacramental participation in the Catholic Church. However, the present survey, compared with other data, reveals a striking variance between Catholics attending the TLM versus those who attend the NOM. These differences are dramatic when comparing beliefs, church attendance, monetary generosity, and fertility rates.

Importantly, TLM families have a nearly 60% larger family size. This will translate to a changing demographic within the Church. TLM attendees donate 5 times more in the collection, indicating that they are far more invested than the NOM attendees. TLM Catholics go to Mass every Sunday at 4.5 times the rate of their NOM brethren. This implies a deep commitment to the faith. The almost universal adherence to the Sunday Mass obligation depicts Catholics who are deeply in love with their faith and cannot imagine missing their Sunday privilege.

Future Research 

Would young adult TLM Catholics be more likely to commit to a life in the Church? This question has never been studied among TLM Catholics since the inception of the 1970 NOM. Research is needed to explore TLM attendees’ vocations to the Priesthood, Religious Life, Married Life, and Single Life within the 18-39 year old subset of TLM Catholics. Preliminary studies by this author indicate that the TLM produces 7-8 times the number of Priestly and Religious vocations. Reception of the sacrament of Holy Matrimony would also seem to be much higher among TLM attendees. Finally, how well does the TLM retain young adults once they leave their parent’s homes?  Rigorous study on these topics are planned for 2019.

Bibliography

  1. CARA                      Annual Conf/Weekly Mass       Feb 16, 2014       
  2. CARA 2017              Mass attendance                     April 11, 2018 Huffington Post quoting Dr. Mark Gray
  3. Catholic Philly.com   Donation %                             May 17, 2013
  4. Pew Research          Catholic Fertility Rate              May 12, 2015
  5. Pew Research          Contraception                         Sept 28, 2016
  6. Pew Research          Abortion                                  Oct   15, 2018 
  7. Relevant Magazine   Donation %                             March 8, 2016
  8. Daily Wire                 Same sex marriage                 July 2,   2017    

 

 

 

Posted on February 24, 2019, in holiness, liturgy and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 153 Comments.

  1. I support your efforts to find evidence of orthodoxy in the latin mass. Unfortunately you’re comparing apples to oranges here. Most of your results come from in-pew surveys. This is not the case for the comparison Novus Ordo surveys you cite. This naturally biases your study to to find stronger orthodoxy among TLM Catholics, and means your data is not likely to be a representative sample. I hope you continue to refine your methods and find better data next time.

    • Actually, in the First National Study 1300+ of the samples were in pew. 451 were online samples. The in pew and online samples all were within 1 percentage point!
      The Second National Study was all online. So; no apples to oranges. Besides the fact that the comparative numbers in the First National Study were so wildly in different ball parks. There is no margin of error that could reconcile that variance anyway.

      • Hello Fr. Kloster,

        Thank you for your response! Maybe I wasn’t clear, when I referred to apples and oranges I was talking about the comparison drawn between your surveys and the various other studies you mentioned.

        Did these studies in fact use the same exact methodology you used, asking the same exact questions, in the same time period, targeted at similar numbers of participants?

        Answering these questions would be the minimum first step toward confirming that your data are actually meaningful. Maybe you already did answer those and I just missed it.

        I hope you take steps like these in the future, because we are on the same side. If the trends you found do hold true in a scientific study, they would be more compelling and harder for the church hierarchy to ignore.

        Thanks,
        Ben

  2. I’ve lived in Boston MA my entire Life. My parents were Irish Immigrants and as youngsters, we all went to both Confession and Holy Mass every Sat/Sunday. We went to Catholic schools and I went to a Catholic Women’s college. Of the 7 children who reached adulthood, only two of us go to weekly Mass, three who have died had Christian burial rites (1 from Episcopal Church). So very sadly, the two generations after us have Very Few who are faithful to their Catholic upbringing. Once you stop going to Sunday Mass, your faith falls apart. You don’t pursue further knowledge of what the Church represents. I pray and study and pray some more; it breaks my heart to think of the sacrifices my parents made for all of us to live our faith and then to see at least 90% of their grand children and great grandchildren not even care. And I’m just one of many Seniors in my community who are seeing the same patterns in their own children and grandchildren. What went Wrong???

    • Brenda-
      Sherry Weddell was quoted by Kevin Cotter when he said that 79% of cradle Catholics become unaffiliated and cease using the name Catholic by age 23. Those are 2012 numbers. It is actually much worse 2 years into the Virus and the shutdowns.
      My estimate now is that if you raise your child in the Novus Ordo from the age of 7, that child has about a 5% chance of practicing the faith as an adult. The Novus Ordo fruit has cratered at a level I never expected growing up in the 1970’s and early 1980’s as I did in Texas.
      From my Second National Study (Kloster 2020), if your child is raised in the Traditional Latin Mass from the age of 7, they have about a 97% chance of practicing as an adult.
      It is the Mass of the Ages that was missing and now has been roaring back to prominence all across the world where it is at least begrudgingly allowed.
      Before the Second Vatican Council, it was generally agreed that about 80% of Catholics were going to Mass every Sunday in the USA. By my Diocese’s own admission, we are currently at 10% here in the Diocese of Bridgeport, CT. CARA said we were at 22% nationally in early 2020.
      The TLM is the Mass of the Apostles and thus is the best conduit for anyone seeking to practice his faith in the deepest sense possible. Satan and his minions hate Latin and they have actively tried to subvert it. The proof is all around us in the collapse of the Novus Ordo Churches and institutions.

      • There is no evidence any of the Apostles spoke Latin nor that the Mass had yet come to be. I don’t say how you can say “The TLM is the Mass of the Apostles.”

  3. When they turned the alter around to face the people, they turned their backs on GOD.

  4. Michelle Lawrence's avatar Michelle Lawrence

    You need a larger sampling. Your numbers for the TLM will be even more significant.

    Faith and service is stronger, more fervent, more alive, More vocal.

    • @Michelle Lawrence You do realize that the vast majority of Surveys have less than 1000 samples? That being said, I would be more than happy for you to apprise me of any way to acquire more samples in any future Survey.

  5. Thank you for doing this research! It is fascinating (and alarming).

  6. Has any research been done post-pandemic? Our diocesan TLM community has more than doubled since the lockdowns of 2020. If updated research is available, please advise. Thank you!

    • I do plan to do a follow up in 2025. Currently, many of the TLMs have gone underground or are being done without a published Mass time in parishes where the pastor feels the Bishop may move against him if he is too public about hosting the TLM.

  7. I think we have to completely reconsider the hypothesis of secularization and decline of Christianity in the West, because:

    The decline in male participation in liberal political parties and liberal leaning institutions (such as colleges) also parallels with where men are declining in religious practice. The mainline protestant sects, normie Catholic churches and reformed Jews have been hemhorrageing men for decades, while traditional Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims who never reformed their practice retain men in much larger numbers. The commonality is the increased centrality and focus on female participation and women in the liturgy of these religions often to the neglect of men.

    Christianity is not losing men to atheism, only liberal churches are. (As are reformed Jews.)

    Traditional religions including conservative Christian churches are retaining men. And when men leave, so do families, since father’s religion predicts stronger that the child is going to retain the religion.

    The trend of atheist men leaning left last for about a decade and now atheist men are sorting out into conservative ideologies (often reverting to a religion), or becoming LGBT, which means that the entire narrative about secularization is really about men and the decline of male participation in institutions as they become liberalized and female centric. This is a new hypothesis ive developed that needs to be reconsidered.

    Now it’s happening in politics as the political left is becoming more female centric and anti male especially post MeToo. And this is why as men leave the political left and liberal-leaning colleges, we are seeing a resurgence in religion especially in young people and men. They didn’t reject religion per se, imo, they rejected the neglect of men and the male perspective in liberal religions. They simply were’nt able to articulate that because of the female centric bias in our society that says if you care about men you’re a bigot or some kind of evil person.

    Male Spirituality: is much more about order, the transcendental mystery of reaching God, an almost militaristic emphasis on struggling and overcoming sin, penance, non-verbal communication and strict spiritual discipline (things like fasting, regular prayer routines).

    Female Spirituality: is more about spontaneity, “the community of believers”, verbal communication, “”Listening””, unconditional acceptance/compassion (that is, forgiveness without justice or repentance), sentimentality, and personal devotion.

    These are also, IMO, not coincidentally, the differences between liberal and traditional conservative versions of the same religion.

      Also regarding poor catechization at Novus Ordo parishes, I think a big reason for it is because secular society considers a lot of the things taught by the Catholic Church (such as traditional gender roles, the mystery of the incarnation, the need to repent from mortal sin, the existence of hell and demons, the real presence and so on) are considered “irrational”, “uncool” or “offensive”. As a convert from Protestantism who recently started attending TLM more often, I get the impression that most NO parishes, even ones without explicit liturgical abuses, are on autopilot, and most NO priests don’t emphasize some of these more controversial aspects in catechization or sermons (most likely out of either fear of cancellation or fear of losing parishioners). It is simply the bare minimum which is emphasized (such as “men are men and women are women” and “abortion is bad”) without exploring in depth the theological reasons for why these are true and good things to believe (which in turn causes many liberal leaning parishioners to leave because at least the woke people make the effort to teach and explain their beliefs in depth). And 90% of suburban NO parishes despite an obsession with being “welcoming” and “inclusive” don’t make an effort to welcome new parishioners (let alone converts from Protestantism, atheism or other religions) and this is why IMO they start bleeding youth once they finish college (often living away from a parents’ home and community for many years). When you enter the workforce and start a family you’re in a new phase of life and are less associated with your family growing up so it’s almost like you’re a new person.

      Why make the investment in a NO parish when secular society and your secular college/career is making a much bigger effort in the other direction?

      • Amen!!! You saved me from having to write almost the exact same post. I also am a convert and served in the Novus Ordo music ministry for over half a decade. I agree with everything you said. You have the truth in you…keep doing what you are doing, you are on the righteous path along with the rest of us that know the truth! God willing, we will remain with our eyes fixed on Christ and not the world.

        Scott

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